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uzmasaail
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject: The Use of Persoanl Pronoun Reply with quote

What a good turn the topic has taken. It is really becoming enjoyable!
Let us change the moto to 'We think therefore we are.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uzma, if you think we all think, I'll second your motion. The world could use some global thinking.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking and thinking about my new short story, but... it is much more difficult than I thought...

Perhaps I dislike insufficiently this person Confused

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps this is a case where you are thinking too much about yourself and what you dislike. What would the character like? Do?

Maybe you are thinking too much about the plot of the story. Try thinking like the character, talking like the character, becomming the character.

See how Harry developes his characters in many of his stories.

You think [like the character], therefore, you are [the character]!

I think I'm getting too serious.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, DaveR.
You are right - well-done.
But I think that the most difficult thing for me is to think up some subject - interesting, shocking, moving, an so on.

As for poems, I can sit anywhere and they come without any thinkig... They come even I don't want to write any poems... They squeeze in my mind and I can't remedy it in any way...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well-said, of course Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jolanta, it's easy for me to give advice, not always easy for me to follow it.
The less thinking about writing and the more doing the writing always seems to lead to something.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your words are very interesting...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know your problem, Jolanta. Motive. It's unique to story writing. A poet can write about nothing - feelings - castles in the air. But a short story writer has to have a reason - a plot. It is the one big cause of 'writer's block.'

Do you have a picture album? Preferably an old one. Open it at random and let it remind you of that certain day and why aomeone took that picture - where you were and what the weather was and what happened after. Gradually you'll find you're writing a story.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a very good idea indeed!

Idea


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: story idea Reply with quote

Harry I agree however wasn't Jolanta original task/idea/your idea for her to write about the person she disliked so much? Mind you Jolanta if you don't want to stick to this or want to expand on it go right ahead (I've found some of my best stories come from personal experience). I think Harry's idea is great but I have a different suggestion that may prove more useful for your topic (at least I hope so).

My suggestion was when did you first met this person? What was your first impression of the woman/man? What were they wearing? and so and so forth. What did they seem to think of you? What you wearing etc, etc? Is the dislike mutual? If so why? If not why? Have you ever told this person why you dislike them or vice versa? Have you ever told them you don't like them in person or over the phone (even nasty e-mails count in this instance). Actually in my opinion nasty e-mails can make for an interesting story (an even better computer games er, yeah I'm digressing sorry!) Anyway hope that helps! ttyl. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having read your advice, Heidi, I begin thinking about writing some psychological study on some person rather than a story...

Why not? Question


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:28 pm    Post subject: good question Reply with quote

Good question why not? If you think you're up to that go for it! Me, I like to write stuff that takes less research and what i consider to be more fun. Plus the words psychological study sounds too much like a school assignment & with me being a college student I do way too much of that stuff every single day (well not exactly that type of thing but similar). Perhaps that explains my choice of writing style...anyway if you want to do that go right ahead I will be here to give advice, moral support, coffee(er well virtual coffee anyway Laughing )
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: The Use of Personal Pronoun Reply with quote

Is it not the reason that we want more identity and recognition than we are given that we make use of the persoanl pronoun.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: The Use of Personal Prounoun Reply with quote

When men are delving in deep thoughts, silence prevails.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was studying journalism we were discouraged from ever using the personal pronoun, it was strictly verboten; but writing fiction is not journalism. The use of 'I', can be a lazy way to shoehorn yourself into a character's head, but it is not a necessary one -- in the same way that you can talk to a friend or someone without using their name, you can have a a character talk and not use the word 'I'.
By describing the way the world moves around them and the way people react to them you can create either an accurate or a distorted mirror for reflecting your character's truth, depending on what your intention as a writer is. It's often the case that the use of the personal pronoun by one of my character's depends on how egocentric they are, but the 'I' can also, as has been asserted, be used like a nail to pin down one person's state of mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: The Use of Personal Prounoun Reply with quote

Hello psgri2003, well come to this forum.

In fiction, the use of personal pronoun is used and sometimes used very well but in discussions or speeches it often misguides because the speaker tries to detrack the person/persons spoken to. It also reflects some arrogance.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Ehsan, I took your advice and changed my user name to my own name -- it definitely looks a bit more friendly. I would also like to take this opportunity to say thank you as it was your positive responses to my poetry which I submitted a fair while ago that encouraged me to join the site.

In regards to the topic I think that the use of the personal pronoun, as has become evident from the discussion, is all dependent on context and the character of the writer or character using it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: The Use of Personal Pronoun Reply with quote

Thank Paul for changing your user's name to your own. It sounds very good.

Thanking your for thanking me regarding you poetry but all this credit goes to the Writers-Voice that encourages the writers positively.

About the use of personal pronoun, I agree with you.
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